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Recording with midi/synth vs actual instrument?
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InCan someone learn practicing piano with a MIDI keyboard?MIDI-Keyboards with integrated audio?Connecting Maschine to SynthSet a fixed velocity for keyboard MIDI input while recording on Reason PropellerheadMusic Creation Software for Midi and Yamaha SynthIs it possible with any recording software to snap to quarter notes when recording from MIDI keyboard?Digital pianos and/or midi keyboards with narrower keysClicks in bass tracksCan MIDI latency before soft synth/audio rendering be an issue?Keyboard vs Midi-Controller for Recording and Practice
Just wondering if there's any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth. For example, let's say I have a song that I need a piano part for. I could set up a microphone on an actual piano or I could just use a midi controller or synthesizer with a piano sound. Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument- wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
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Just wondering if there's any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth. For example, let's say I have a song that I need a piano part for. I could set up a microphone on an actual piano or I could just use a midi controller or synthesizer with a piano sound. Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument- wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
midi-controller-keyboard production
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Just wondering if there's any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth. For example, let's say I have a song that I need a piano part for. I could set up a microphone on an actual piano or I could just use a midi controller or synthesizer with a piano sound. Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument- wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
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Just wondering if there's any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth. For example, let's say I have a song that I need a piano part for. I could set up a microphone on an actual piano or I could just use a midi controller or synthesizer with a piano sound. Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument- wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
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[are there] any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth?
No, only pros and cons. It all depends on what you want the finished product to sound like, and what instruments and equipment you have available to you.
Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument [eg piano]?
Assuming you have an adequately skilled pianist, a decent quality piano which is in tune, and a decent microphone or microphones for the job, then yes, absolutely there are benefits. It will sound real!
wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
Yes, it will introduce a little noise. But assuming you have a relatively quiet space to record, it shouldn't be an issue. As for editing, that all depends on what sorts of edits you're doing and why.
Personally, I would use midi in these situations:
- I'm just working on a mock-up, not a final recording
- I don't play the instrument and don't have access to someone who does
- I play the instrument but don't have access to a real one
- I am not concerned with realism and actually want the sound of the sample or synth.
- I don't have microphones (or any other recording hardware) required to do a decent job of recording the real thing.
add a comment |
The real instrument will sound more real, but as you note, there are many challenges to recording acoustic instruments or anything with a microphone that are completely bypassed when using a virtual instrument plugin.
With a plugin, you don't have to have an audio interface, microphone or cables. You don't have to have an actual acoustic instrument, which usually cost much more than a good plugin, DAW, computer, and controller combined. You don't have to make sure the plugin is in tune. You don't have to have a quiet room with good acoustics to record in.
So in all ways except sound quality, plugins are much easier to work with. These days plugins sound very good. They still don't sound exactly the same, but the convenience and cost savings that they offer makes them a very popular tradeoff.
Regarding editing, in my experience it's about the same. Editing an audio recording of a plugin is about the same difficulty as editing audio of an acoustic instrument. Editing the MIDI that is fed into a plugin can be easier than editing audio, but it has its own quirks.
Note that there are services online where you can send you MIDI tracks to and they will record the actual acoustic instruments for you in quality studios with quality equipment. The costs vary, but if you really want the acoustic sound and don't want to have to figure all of that out for yourself, you can pay to have a track recorded "for real".
add a comment |
For most instruments (apart from piano), if you have access to the real instrument and a real player, and cost isn't a factor, and realism is seen as a plus point, then you'd probably go for the real instrument. It's very hard to achieve a performance with most synthesizers (including plugins) where all the articulations sound at they would on a real instrument.
Some of the same logic holds for piano, but piano is perhaps something of a special case as there are relatively few difficulties in synthesizing it well, and the market for piano-style midi controllers is much more developed than that for controllers for any other instrument. So if you can find a player who feels able to perform on a controller and synth you have access to, there's every chance of capturing an acceptable performance, with some added possibilities for directly redefining the midi, or changing the instrument sound or the ambience after the fact.
Even then, for a critical part (such as a solo piano piece) there will be plenty to be said for captioning the sound of a performer interacting with a suitable real instrument in a nice-sounding space.
Additionally, real acoustic pianos have problems with being out of tune. Unless you get the piano tuned right before you record, it will likely be out of tune with the other instruments and possibly out of tune with itself.
– Peter
5 hours ago
@Peter: You seem to have some reservations against pianos in general. One of decent quality will surely be more than adequate if tuned somewhat recenly. It is completely normal, that other instruments have to adjust their tuning to the piano (instead of the other way round), because a technician is expensive and it takes him quite some time to complete.
– guidot
33 mins ago
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[are there] any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth?
No, only pros and cons. It all depends on what you want the finished product to sound like, and what instruments and equipment you have available to you.
Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument [eg piano]?
Assuming you have an adequately skilled pianist, a decent quality piano which is in tune, and a decent microphone or microphones for the job, then yes, absolutely there are benefits. It will sound real!
wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
Yes, it will introduce a little noise. But assuming you have a relatively quiet space to record, it shouldn't be an issue. As for editing, that all depends on what sorts of edits you're doing and why.
Personally, I would use midi in these situations:
- I'm just working on a mock-up, not a final recording
- I don't play the instrument and don't have access to someone who does
- I play the instrument but don't have access to a real one
- I am not concerned with realism and actually want the sound of the sample or synth.
- I don't have microphones (or any other recording hardware) required to do a decent job of recording the real thing.
add a comment |
[are there] any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth?
No, only pros and cons. It all depends on what you want the finished product to sound like, and what instruments and equipment you have available to you.
Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument [eg piano]?
Assuming you have an adequately skilled pianist, a decent quality piano which is in tune, and a decent microphone or microphones for the job, then yes, absolutely there are benefits. It will sound real!
wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
Yes, it will introduce a little noise. But assuming you have a relatively quiet space to record, it shouldn't be an issue. As for editing, that all depends on what sorts of edits you're doing and why.
Personally, I would use midi in these situations:
- I'm just working on a mock-up, not a final recording
- I don't play the instrument and don't have access to someone who does
- I play the instrument but don't have access to a real one
- I am not concerned with realism and actually want the sound of the sample or synth.
- I don't have microphones (or any other recording hardware) required to do a decent job of recording the real thing.
add a comment |
[are there] any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth?
No, only pros and cons. It all depends on what you want the finished product to sound like, and what instruments and equipment you have available to you.
Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument [eg piano]?
Assuming you have an adequately skilled pianist, a decent quality piano which is in tune, and a decent microphone or microphones for the job, then yes, absolutely there are benefits. It will sound real!
wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
Yes, it will introduce a little noise. But assuming you have a relatively quiet space to record, it shouldn't be an issue. As for editing, that all depends on what sorts of edits you're doing and why.
Personally, I would use midi in these situations:
- I'm just working on a mock-up, not a final recording
- I don't play the instrument and don't have access to someone who does
- I play the instrument but don't have access to a real one
- I am not concerned with realism and actually want the sound of the sample or synth.
- I don't have microphones (or any other recording hardware) required to do a decent job of recording the real thing.
[are there] any guidelines as far as recording a mechanical instrument versus using a midi controller or synth?
No, only pros and cons. It all depends on what you want the finished product to sound like, and what instruments and equipment you have available to you.
Are there any benefits to recording a real instrument [eg piano]?
Assuming you have an adequately skilled pianist, a decent quality piano which is in tune, and a decent microphone or microphones for the job, then yes, absolutely there are benefits. It will sound real!
wouldn't the mic introduce background noise and make things harder to edit?
Yes, it will introduce a little noise. But assuming you have a relatively quiet space to record, it shouldn't be an issue. As for editing, that all depends on what sorts of edits you're doing and why.
Personally, I would use midi in these situations:
- I'm just working on a mock-up, not a final recording
- I don't play the instrument and don't have access to someone who does
- I play the instrument but don't have access to a real one
- I am not concerned with realism and actually want the sound of the sample or synth.
- I don't have microphones (or any other recording hardware) required to do a decent job of recording the real thing.
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The real instrument will sound more real, but as you note, there are many challenges to recording acoustic instruments or anything with a microphone that are completely bypassed when using a virtual instrument plugin.
With a plugin, you don't have to have an audio interface, microphone or cables. You don't have to have an actual acoustic instrument, which usually cost much more than a good plugin, DAW, computer, and controller combined. You don't have to make sure the plugin is in tune. You don't have to have a quiet room with good acoustics to record in.
So in all ways except sound quality, plugins are much easier to work with. These days plugins sound very good. They still don't sound exactly the same, but the convenience and cost savings that they offer makes them a very popular tradeoff.
Regarding editing, in my experience it's about the same. Editing an audio recording of a plugin is about the same difficulty as editing audio of an acoustic instrument. Editing the MIDI that is fed into a plugin can be easier than editing audio, but it has its own quirks.
Note that there are services online where you can send you MIDI tracks to and they will record the actual acoustic instruments for you in quality studios with quality equipment. The costs vary, but if you really want the acoustic sound and don't want to have to figure all of that out for yourself, you can pay to have a track recorded "for real".
add a comment |
The real instrument will sound more real, but as you note, there are many challenges to recording acoustic instruments or anything with a microphone that are completely bypassed when using a virtual instrument plugin.
With a plugin, you don't have to have an audio interface, microphone or cables. You don't have to have an actual acoustic instrument, which usually cost much more than a good plugin, DAW, computer, and controller combined. You don't have to make sure the plugin is in tune. You don't have to have a quiet room with good acoustics to record in.
So in all ways except sound quality, plugins are much easier to work with. These days plugins sound very good. They still don't sound exactly the same, but the convenience and cost savings that they offer makes them a very popular tradeoff.
Regarding editing, in my experience it's about the same. Editing an audio recording of a plugin is about the same difficulty as editing audio of an acoustic instrument. Editing the MIDI that is fed into a plugin can be easier than editing audio, but it has its own quirks.
Note that there are services online where you can send you MIDI tracks to and they will record the actual acoustic instruments for you in quality studios with quality equipment. The costs vary, but if you really want the acoustic sound and don't want to have to figure all of that out for yourself, you can pay to have a track recorded "for real".
add a comment |
The real instrument will sound more real, but as you note, there are many challenges to recording acoustic instruments or anything with a microphone that are completely bypassed when using a virtual instrument plugin.
With a plugin, you don't have to have an audio interface, microphone or cables. You don't have to have an actual acoustic instrument, which usually cost much more than a good plugin, DAW, computer, and controller combined. You don't have to make sure the plugin is in tune. You don't have to have a quiet room with good acoustics to record in.
So in all ways except sound quality, plugins are much easier to work with. These days plugins sound very good. They still don't sound exactly the same, but the convenience and cost savings that they offer makes them a very popular tradeoff.
Regarding editing, in my experience it's about the same. Editing an audio recording of a plugin is about the same difficulty as editing audio of an acoustic instrument. Editing the MIDI that is fed into a plugin can be easier than editing audio, but it has its own quirks.
Note that there are services online where you can send you MIDI tracks to and they will record the actual acoustic instruments for you in quality studios with quality equipment. The costs vary, but if you really want the acoustic sound and don't want to have to figure all of that out for yourself, you can pay to have a track recorded "for real".
The real instrument will sound more real, but as you note, there are many challenges to recording acoustic instruments or anything with a microphone that are completely bypassed when using a virtual instrument plugin.
With a plugin, you don't have to have an audio interface, microphone or cables. You don't have to have an actual acoustic instrument, which usually cost much more than a good plugin, DAW, computer, and controller combined. You don't have to make sure the plugin is in tune. You don't have to have a quiet room with good acoustics to record in.
So in all ways except sound quality, plugins are much easier to work with. These days plugins sound very good. They still don't sound exactly the same, but the convenience and cost savings that they offer makes them a very popular tradeoff.
Regarding editing, in my experience it's about the same. Editing an audio recording of a plugin is about the same difficulty as editing audio of an acoustic instrument. Editing the MIDI that is fed into a plugin can be easier than editing audio, but it has its own quirks.
Note that there are services online where you can send you MIDI tracks to and they will record the actual acoustic instruments for you in quality studios with quality equipment. The costs vary, but if you really want the acoustic sound and don't want to have to figure all of that out for yourself, you can pay to have a track recorded "for real".
answered 12 hours ago
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For most instruments (apart from piano), if you have access to the real instrument and a real player, and cost isn't a factor, and realism is seen as a plus point, then you'd probably go for the real instrument. It's very hard to achieve a performance with most synthesizers (including plugins) where all the articulations sound at they would on a real instrument.
Some of the same logic holds for piano, but piano is perhaps something of a special case as there are relatively few difficulties in synthesizing it well, and the market for piano-style midi controllers is much more developed than that for controllers for any other instrument. So if you can find a player who feels able to perform on a controller and synth you have access to, there's every chance of capturing an acceptable performance, with some added possibilities for directly redefining the midi, or changing the instrument sound or the ambience after the fact.
Even then, for a critical part (such as a solo piano piece) there will be plenty to be said for captioning the sound of a performer interacting with a suitable real instrument in a nice-sounding space.
Additionally, real acoustic pianos have problems with being out of tune. Unless you get the piano tuned right before you record, it will likely be out of tune with the other instruments and possibly out of tune with itself.
– Peter
5 hours ago
@Peter: You seem to have some reservations against pianos in general. One of decent quality will surely be more than adequate if tuned somewhat recenly. It is completely normal, that other instruments have to adjust their tuning to the piano (instead of the other way round), because a technician is expensive and it takes him quite some time to complete.
– guidot
33 mins ago
add a comment |
For most instruments (apart from piano), if you have access to the real instrument and a real player, and cost isn't a factor, and realism is seen as a plus point, then you'd probably go for the real instrument. It's very hard to achieve a performance with most synthesizers (including plugins) where all the articulations sound at they would on a real instrument.
Some of the same logic holds for piano, but piano is perhaps something of a special case as there are relatively few difficulties in synthesizing it well, and the market for piano-style midi controllers is much more developed than that for controllers for any other instrument. So if you can find a player who feels able to perform on a controller and synth you have access to, there's every chance of capturing an acceptable performance, with some added possibilities for directly redefining the midi, or changing the instrument sound or the ambience after the fact.
Even then, for a critical part (such as a solo piano piece) there will be plenty to be said for captioning the sound of a performer interacting with a suitable real instrument in a nice-sounding space.
Additionally, real acoustic pianos have problems with being out of tune. Unless you get the piano tuned right before you record, it will likely be out of tune with the other instruments and possibly out of tune with itself.
– Peter
5 hours ago
@Peter: You seem to have some reservations against pianos in general. One of decent quality will surely be more than adequate if tuned somewhat recenly. It is completely normal, that other instruments have to adjust their tuning to the piano (instead of the other way round), because a technician is expensive and it takes him quite some time to complete.
– guidot
33 mins ago
add a comment |
For most instruments (apart from piano), if you have access to the real instrument and a real player, and cost isn't a factor, and realism is seen as a plus point, then you'd probably go for the real instrument. It's very hard to achieve a performance with most synthesizers (including plugins) where all the articulations sound at they would on a real instrument.
Some of the same logic holds for piano, but piano is perhaps something of a special case as there are relatively few difficulties in synthesizing it well, and the market for piano-style midi controllers is much more developed than that for controllers for any other instrument. So if you can find a player who feels able to perform on a controller and synth you have access to, there's every chance of capturing an acceptable performance, with some added possibilities for directly redefining the midi, or changing the instrument sound or the ambience after the fact.
Even then, for a critical part (such as a solo piano piece) there will be plenty to be said for captioning the sound of a performer interacting with a suitable real instrument in a nice-sounding space.
For most instruments (apart from piano), if you have access to the real instrument and a real player, and cost isn't a factor, and realism is seen as a plus point, then you'd probably go for the real instrument. It's very hard to achieve a performance with most synthesizers (including plugins) where all the articulations sound at they would on a real instrument.
Some of the same logic holds for piano, but piano is perhaps something of a special case as there are relatively few difficulties in synthesizing it well, and the market for piano-style midi controllers is much more developed than that for controllers for any other instrument. So if you can find a player who feels able to perform on a controller and synth you have access to, there's every chance of capturing an acceptable performance, with some added possibilities for directly redefining the midi, or changing the instrument sound or the ambience after the fact.
Even then, for a critical part (such as a solo piano piece) there will be plenty to be said for captioning the sound of a performer interacting with a suitable real instrument in a nice-sounding space.
answered 8 hours ago
topo mortotopo morto
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Additionally, real acoustic pianos have problems with being out of tune. Unless you get the piano tuned right before you record, it will likely be out of tune with the other instruments and possibly out of tune with itself.
– Peter
5 hours ago
@Peter: You seem to have some reservations against pianos in general. One of decent quality will surely be more than adequate if tuned somewhat recenly. It is completely normal, that other instruments have to adjust their tuning to the piano (instead of the other way round), because a technician is expensive and it takes him quite some time to complete.
– guidot
33 mins ago
add a comment |
Additionally, real acoustic pianos have problems with being out of tune. Unless you get the piano tuned right before you record, it will likely be out of tune with the other instruments and possibly out of tune with itself.
– Peter
5 hours ago
@Peter: You seem to have some reservations against pianos in general. One of decent quality will surely be more than adequate if tuned somewhat recenly. It is completely normal, that other instruments have to adjust their tuning to the piano (instead of the other way round), because a technician is expensive and it takes him quite some time to complete.
– guidot
33 mins ago
Additionally, real acoustic pianos have problems with being out of tune. Unless you get the piano tuned right before you record, it will likely be out of tune with the other instruments and possibly out of tune with itself.
– Peter
5 hours ago
Additionally, real acoustic pianos have problems with being out of tune. Unless you get the piano tuned right before you record, it will likely be out of tune with the other instruments and possibly out of tune with itself.
– Peter
5 hours ago
@Peter: You seem to have some reservations against pianos in general. One of decent quality will surely be more than adequate if tuned somewhat recenly. It is completely normal, that other instruments have to adjust their tuning to the piano (instead of the other way round), because a technician is expensive and it takes him quite some time to complete.
– guidot
33 mins ago
@Peter: You seem to have some reservations against pianos in general. One of decent quality will surely be more than adequate if tuned somewhat recenly. It is completely normal, that other instruments have to adjust their tuning to the piano (instead of the other way round), because a technician is expensive and it takes him quite some time to complete.
– guidot
33 mins ago
add a comment |
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onScroll = function(e)
var $elem = $('.new-login-left'),
docViewTop = $window.scrollTop(),
docViewBottom = docViewTop + $window.height(),
elemTop = $elem.offset().top,
elemBottom = elemTop + $elem.height();
if ((docViewTop elemBottom))
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$window.unbind('scroll', onScroll);
;
$window.on('scroll', onScroll);
);
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