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Does it make sense to invest money on space investigation?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowWhat plans does AEB (the Brazilian Space Agency) have for missions beyond GEO?How are long space travel times motivated? (17 year Europa mission)Why does data transfer rate decrease with distanceIs there a comprehensive list of all space probes ever launched?What does space look like from space?Does any group have plans for manned missions longer than the 5 year Callisto mission?Does variable distance to Mars affect data transmission rates?LEO or GEO or Lx for a space shipyard?Does the International Space Station get TV?Hijacked space data, notable instances of recovering images or other goodies from someone else's space mission?
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I recently saw this picture - drawn by the excellent Spanish cartoonist 'El roto'
Translated (please, don't hesitate to edit the question if you find a better translation)
They looked for signals in space and ignored the distress calls emitted by the Earth.
In fact, millions of dollars are invested every year by Governments when it comes to space investigation - millions of dollars that could be used, for instance, in order to fight against social inequality...
So, does it really make sense for Governments to invest money on space exploration?, i.e. why should Governments invest money on space exploration?
Edit I've just noticed that the question has kind of been misunderstood. When I introduced the possibility of investing money in order to fight poverty, I didn't mean that Governments don't do so, or that this is a better possibility. I just wanted to know, $$colorredmathbftextwhy should we invest money on space exploration rather than on other things?$$
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I recently saw this picture - drawn by the excellent Spanish cartoonist 'El roto'
Translated (please, don't hesitate to edit the question if you find a better translation)
They looked for signals in space and ignored the distress calls emitted by the Earth.
In fact, millions of dollars are invested every year by Governments when it comes to space investigation - millions of dollars that could be used, for instance, in order to fight against social inequality...
So, does it really make sense for Governments to invest money on space exploration?, i.e. why should Governments invest money on space exploration?
Edit I've just noticed that the question has kind of been misunderstood. When I introduced the possibility of investing money in order to fight poverty, I didn't mean that Governments don't do so, or that this is a better possibility. I just wanted to know, $$colorredmathbftextwhy should we invest money on space exploration rather than on other things?$$
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Everything is in spae! Where else could it be? All energy, all resources, everything to be discovered. Even YOU are in space, if you didn't fathom it until I told you so. What is there to investigate if not space? Nothing? Then unuse your brain.
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– LocalFluff
3 hours ago
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If you believe the logic of that question, you should first have to answer “The world has invested trillions on Earth without resolving (favorite issue). Why should we invest any more?”
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– Bob Jacobsen
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I recently saw this picture - drawn by the excellent Spanish cartoonist 'El roto'
Translated (please, don't hesitate to edit the question if you find a better translation)
They looked for signals in space and ignored the distress calls emitted by the Earth.
In fact, millions of dollars are invested every year by Governments when it comes to space investigation - millions of dollars that could be used, for instance, in order to fight against social inequality...
So, does it really make sense for Governments to invest money on space exploration?, i.e. why should Governments invest money on space exploration?
Edit I've just noticed that the question has kind of been misunderstood. When I introduced the possibility of investing money in order to fight poverty, I didn't mean that Governments don't do so, or that this is a better possibility. I just wanted to know, $$colorredmathbftextwhy should we invest money on space exploration rather than on other things?$$
spacecraft future-missions data-transmission exploration-mission-1
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I recently saw this picture - drawn by the excellent Spanish cartoonist 'El roto'
Translated (please, don't hesitate to edit the question if you find a better translation)
They looked for signals in space and ignored the distress calls emitted by the Earth.
In fact, millions of dollars are invested every year by Governments when it comes to space investigation - millions of dollars that could be used, for instance, in order to fight against social inequality...
So, does it really make sense for Governments to invest money on space exploration?, i.e. why should Governments invest money on space exploration?
Edit I've just noticed that the question has kind of been misunderstood. When I introduced the possibility of investing money in order to fight poverty, I didn't mean that Governments don't do so, or that this is a better possibility. I just wanted to know, $$colorredmathbftextwhy should we invest money on space exploration rather than on other things?$$
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Everything is in spae! Where else could it be? All energy, all resources, everything to be discovered. Even YOU are in space, if you didn't fathom it until I told you so. What is there to investigate if not space? Nothing? Then unuse your brain.
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– LocalFluff
3 hours ago
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If you believe the logic of that question, you should first have to answer “The world has invested trillions on Earth without resolving (favorite issue). Why should we invest any more?”
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– Bob Jacobsen
2 hours ago
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Everything is in spae! Where else could it be? All energy, all resources, everything to be discovered. Even YOU are in space, if you didn't fathom it until I told you so. What is there to investigate if not space? Nothing? Then unuse your brain.
$endgroup$
– LocalFluff
3 hours ago
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If you believe the logic of that question, you should first have to answer “The world has invested trillions on Earth without resolving (favorite issue). Why should we invest any more?”
$endgroup$
– Bob Jacobsen
2 hours ago
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Everything is in spae! Where else could it be? All energy, all resources, everything to be discovered. Even YOU are in space, if you didn't fathom it until I told you so. What is there to investigate if not space? Nothing? Then unuse your brain.
$endgroup$
– LocalFluff
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Everything is in spae! Where else could it be? All energy, all resources, everything to be discovered. Even YOU are in space, if you didn't fathom it until I told you so. What is there to investigate if not space? Nothing? Then unuse your brain.
$endgroup$
– LocalFluff
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
If you believe the logic of that question, you should first have to answer “The world has invested trillions on Earth without resolving (favorite issue). Why should we invest any more?”
$endgroup$
– Bob Jacobsen
2 hours ago
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If you believe the logic of that question, you should first have to answer “The world has invested trillions on Earth without resolving (favorite issue). Why should we invest any more?”
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– Bob Jacobsen
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"We should wait for all the problems on earth to be solved before going into space".
I've seen this sentiment multiple times, and I disagree vehemently.
1. There are other much more worthy targets of this kind of argument
Whenever a space mission has cost overruns in the billions, I convert the dollar amount into B-2 bomber equivalents. That is, 2 billion USD = 1 B-2 bomber (lifetime cost). Hubble Space telescope = 0.75 B-2 bombers. JWST = 4.7 B-2 bombers (as of 2019). And let's not get drawn in to the wastefulness of the F-35 fighter cost overruns. As a fraction of the total spending of the US government, Space exploration is tiny.
2. We will never truly solve all problems on earth
At least, we will never solve all the perceived problems on earth. Remarkable changes have occurred over the last century, diseases that once ravaged entire populations are now functionally extinct, death by violence has been steadily going down, and ours is currently the most peaceful time in existence, contrary to what you might believe from watching the news (For more on this, check out Steven Pinker's The better angels of our nature), and finally, technology (and with it our ability to do things) is increasing at a rate unprecedented in history.
But all of these processes are slow, in comparison to the experiences of daily life. The gradual improvement of life is invisible when a gross injustice is inflicted upon you in the here and now. And due to the accessibility of worldwide news and the internet, reporting of gross injustices has never been more prevalent.
There will always be problems, both real and perceived, which is why waiting for them to be solved before embarking on space exploration would mean we never got to do space exploration.
3. Space exploration is the single best long-term thing we can do
This I think is the most important part. Earth's time as a habitable planet is (geologically speaking) nearly up. Due to the sun's increasing brightness, earth will be rendered uninhabitable somewhere between 100 million and 1 billion years in the future. And that's the optimistic scenario that ignores climate change or any other cataclysmic event.
Humanity can't survive on earth forever. We must become an interplanetary or interstellar species if we are to survive the death of our earth or sun.
There's a sentiment I see sometimes, that 'Humanity doesn't deserve to go to the stars, because humans are somehow bad', or that 'Humans will just ruin space like they ruined earth.'
I find this to be a peculiar moral argument. It's worth remembering that space colonisation is not just about the preservation of humans, it's about the preservation of four billion years of evolutionary history.
Life, I think almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe. Our particular brand of life (with its nucleotides, genes and evolutionary lineage) is almost certainly unique. And I think denying 4 billion years worth of unique life the chance to survive the death of its host star because 'some humans are sometimes bad', would be a crime.
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Governments do lots of things despite the existence of poverty. Investment in all kinds of science, in the military, in infrastructure, etc. all proceed despite poverty. And this is a good thing. If governments limited themselves to fighting poverty, they might eradicate poverty but we'd be stuck in the 1940s technology-wise. Computers, the internet, modern materials, modern agriculture all exist because governments decided to spend money on projects that didn't have an immediate return on investment.
Learning more about the universe around us is never a bad thing.
Apart from that, the cartoon is bullshit. Governments aren't "ignoring the distress calls from Earth", far from it. Billions are spent every year improving the world.
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Thanks for the answer! However, poverty was just an example (which I didn't make clear). I've edited the question
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"We should wait for all the problems on earth to be solved before going into space".
I've seen this sentiment multiple times, and I disagree vehemently.
1. There are other much more worthy targets of this kind of argument
Whenever a space mission has cost overruns in the billions, I convert the dollar amount into B-2 bomber equivalents. That is, 2 billion USD = 1 B-2 bomber (lifetime cost). Hubble Space telescope = 0.75 B-2 bombers. JWST = 4.7 B-2 bombers (as of 2019). And let's not get drawn in to the wastefulness of the F-35 fighter cost overruns. As a fraction of the total spending of the US government, Space exploration is tiny.
2. We will never truly solve all problems on earth
At least, we will never solve all the perceived problems on earth. Remarkable changes have occurred over the last century, diseases that once ravaged entire populations are now functionally extinct, death by violence has been steadily going down, and ours is currently the most peaceful time in existence, contrary to what you might believe from watching the news (For more on this, check out Steven Pinker's The better angels of our nature), and finally, technology (and with it our ability to do things) is increasing at a rate unprecedented in history.
But all of these processes are slow, in comparison to the experiences of daily life. The gradual improvement of life is invisible when a gross injustice is inflicted upon you in the here and now. And due to the accessibility of worldwide news and the internet, reporting of gross injustices has never been more prevalent.
There will always be problems, both real and perceived, which is why waiting for them to be solved before embarking on space exploration would mean we never got to do space exploration.
3. Space exploration is the single best long-term thing we can do
This I think is the most important part. Earth's time as a habitable planet is (geologically speaking) nearly up. Due to the sun's increasing brightness, earth will be rendered uninhabitable somewhere between 100 million and 1 billion years in the future. And that's the optimistic scenario that ignores climate change or any other cataclysmic event.
Humanity can't survive on earth forever. We must become an interplanetary or interstellar species if we are to survive the death of our earth or sun.
There's a sentiment I see sometimes, that 'Humanity doesn't deserve to go to the stars, because humans are somehow bad', or that 'Humans will just ruin space like they ruined earth.'
I find this to be a peculiar moral argument. It's worth remembering that space colonisation is not just about the preservation of humans, it's about the preservation of four billion years of evolutionary history.
Life, I think almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe. Our particular brand of life (with its nucleotides, genes and evolutionary lineage) is almost certainly unique. And I think denying 4 billion years worth of unique life the chance to survive the death of its host star because 'some humans are sometimes bad', would be a crime.
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"We should wait for all the problems on earth to be solved before going into space".
I've seen this sentiment multiple times, and I disagree vehemently.
1. There are other much more worthy targets of this kind of argument
Whenever a space mission has cost overruns in the billions, I convert the dollar amount into B-2 bomber equivalents. That is, 2 billion USD = 1 B-2 bomber (lifetime cost). Hubble Space telescope = 0.75 B-2 bombers. JWST = 4.7 B-2 bombers (as of 2019). And let's not get drawn in to the wastefulness of the F-35 fighter cost overruns. As a fraction of the total spending of the US government, Space exploration is tiny.
2. We will never truly solve all problems on earth
At least, we will never solve all the perceived problems on earth. Remarkable changes have occurred over the last century, diseases that once ravaged entire populations are now functionally extinct, death by violence has been steadily going down, and ours is currently the most peaceful time in existence, contrary to what you might believe from watching the news (For more on this, check out Steven Pinker's The better angels of our nature), and finally, technology (and with it our ability to do things) is increasing at a rate unprecedented in history.
But all of these processes are slow, in comparison to the experiences of daily life. The gradual improvement of life is invisible when a gross injustice is inflicted upon you in the here and now. And due to the accessibility of worldwide news and the internet, reporting of gross injustices has never been more prevalent.
There will always be problems, both real and perceived, which is why waiting for them to be solved before embarking on space exploration would mean we never got to do space exploration.
3. Space exploration is the single best long-term thing we can do
This I think is the most important part. Earth's time as a habitable planet is (geologically speaking) nearly up. Due to the sun's increasing brightness, earth will be rendered uninhabitable somewhere between 100 million and 1 billion years in the future. And that's the optimistic scenario that ignores climate change or any other cataclysmic event.
Humanity can't survive on earth forever. We must become an interplanetary or interstellar species if we are to survive the death of our earth or sun.
There's a sentiment I see sometimes, that 'Humanity doesn't deserve to go to the stars, because humans are somehow bad', or that 'Humans will just ruin space like they ruined earth.'
I find this to be a peculiar moral argument. It's worth remembering that space colonisation is not just about the preservation of humans, it's about the preservation of four billion years of evolutionary history.
Life, I think almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe. Our particular brand of life (with its nucleotides, genes and evolutionary lineage) is almost certainly unique. And I think denying 4 billion years worth of unique life the chance to survive the death of its host star because 'some humans are sometimes bad', would be a crime.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
"We should wait for all the problems on earth to be solved before going into space".
I've seen this sentiment multiple times, and I disagree vehemently.
1. There are other much more worthy targets of this kind of argument
Whenever a space mission has cost overruns in the billions, I convert the dollar amount into B-2 bomber equivalents. That is, 2 billion USD = 1 B-2 bomber (lifetime cost). Hubble Space telescope = 0.75 B-2 bombers. JWST = 4.7 B-2 bombers (as of 2019). And let's not get drawn in to the wastefulness of the F-35 fighter cost overruns. As a fraction of the total spending of the US government, Space exploration is tiny.
2. We will never truly solve all problems on earth
At least, we will never solve all the perceived problems on earth. Remarkable changes have occurred over the last century, diseases that once ravaged entire populations are now functionally extinct, death by violence has been steadily going down, and ours is currently the most peaceful time in existence, contrary to what you might believe from watching the news (For more on this, check out Steven Pinker's The better angels of our nature), and finally, technology (and with it our ability to do things) is increasing at a rate unprecedented in history.
But all of these processes are slow, in comparison to the experiences of daily life. The gradual improvement of life is invisible when a gross injustice is inflicted upon you in the here and now. And due to the accessibility of worldwide news and the internet, reporting of gross injustices has never been more prevalent.
There will always be problems, both real and perceived, which is why waiting for them to be solved before embarking on space exploration would mean we never got to do space exploration.
3. Space exploration is the single best long-term thing we can do
This I think is the most important part. Earth's time as a habitable planet is (geologically speaking) nearly up. Due to the sun's increasing brightness, earth will be rendered uninhabitable somewhere between 100 million and 1 billion years in the future. And that's the optimistic scenario that ignores climate change or any other cataclysmic event.
Humanity can't survive on earth forever. We must become an interplanetary or interstellar species if we are to survive the death of our earth or sun.
There's a sentiment I see sometimes, that 'Humanity doesn't deserve to go to the stars, because humans are somehow bad', or that 'Humans will just ruin space like they ruined earth.'
I find this to be a peculiar moral argument. It's worth remembering that space colonisation is not just about the preservation of humans, it's about the preservation of four billion years of evolutionary history.
Life, I think almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe. Our particular brand of life (with its nucleotides, genes and evolutionary lineage) is almost certainly unique. And I think denying 4 billion years worth of unique life the chance to survive the death of its host star because 'some humans are sometimes bad', would be a crime.
$endgroup$
"We should wait for all the problems on earth to be solved before going into space".
I've seen this sentiment multiple times, and I disagree vehemently.
1. There are other much more worthy targets of this kind of argument
Whenever a space mission has cost overruns in the billions, I convert the dollar amount into B-2 bomber equivalents. That is, 2 billion USD = 1 B-2 bomber (lifetime cost). Hubble Space telescope = 0.75 B-2 bombers. JWST = 4.7 B-2 bombers (as of 2019). And let's not get drawn in to the wastefulness of the F-35 fighter cost overruns. As a fraction of the total spending of the US government, Space exploration is tiny.
2. We will never truly solve all problems on earth
At least, we will never solve all the perceived problems on earth. Remarkable changes have occurred over the last century, diseases that once ravaged entire populations are now functionally extinct, death by violence has been steadily going down, and ours is currently the most peaceful time in existence, contrary to what you might believe from watching the news (For more on this, check out Steven Pinker's The better angels of our nature), and finally, technology (and with it our ability to do things) is increasing at a rate unprecedented in history.
But all of these processes are slow, in comparison to the experiences of daily life. The gradual improvement of life is invisible when a gross injustice is inflicted upon you in the here and now. And due to the accessibility of worldwide news and the internet, reporting of gross injustices has never been more prevalent.
There will always be problems, both real and perceived, which is why waiting for them to be solved before embarking on space exploration would mean we never got to do space exploration.
3. Space exploration is the single best long-term thing we can do
This I think is the most important part. Earth's time as a habitable planet is (geologically speaking) nearly up. Due to the sun's increasing brightness, earth will be rendered uninhabitable somewhere between 100 million and 1 billion years in the future. And that's the optimistic scenario that ignores climate change or any other cataclysmic event.
Humanity can't survive on earth forever. We must become an interplanetary or interstellar species if we are to survive the death of our earth or sun.
There's a sentiment I see sometimes, that 'Humanity doesn't deserve to go to the stars, because humans are somehow bad', or that 'Humans will just ruin space like they ruined earth.'
I find this to be a peculiar moral argument. It's worth remembering that space colonisation is not just about the preservation of humans, it's about the preservation of four billion years of evolutionary history.
Life, I think almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe. Our particular brand of life (with its nucleotides, genes and evolutionary lineage) is almost certainly unique. And I think denying 4 billion years worth of unique life the chance to survive the death of its host star because 'some humans are sometimes bad', would be a crime.
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Governments do lots of things despite the existence of poverty. Investment in all kinds of science, in the military, in infrastructure, etc. all proceed despite poverty. And this is a good thing. If governments limited themselves to fighting poverty, they might eradicate poverty but we'd be stuck in the 1940s technology-wise. Computers, the internet, modern materials, modern agriculture all exist because governments decided to spend money on projects that didn't have an immediate return on investment.
Learning more about the universe around us is never a bad thing.
Apart from that, the cartoon is bullshit. Governments aren't "ignoring the distress calls from Earth", far from it. Billions are spent every year improving the world.
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Thanks for the answer! However, poverty was just an example (which I didn't make clear). I've edited the question
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– Dr. Mathva
2 hours ago
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Governments do lots of things despite the existence of poverty. Investment in all kinds of science, in the military, in infrastructure, etc. all proceed despite poverty. And this is a good thing. If governments limited themselves to fighting poverty, they might eradicate poverty but we'd be stuck in the 1940s technology-wise. Computers, the internet, modern materials, modern agriculture all exist because governments decided to spend money on projects that didn't have an immediate return on investment.
Learning more about the universe around us is never a bad thing.
Apart from that, the cartoon is bullshit. Governments aren't "ignoring the distress calls from Earth", far from it. Billions are spent every year improving the world.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Thanks for the answer! However, poverty was just an example (which I didn't make clear). I've edited the question
$endgroup$
– Dr. Mathva
2 hours ago
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$begingroup$
Governments do lots of things despite the existence of poverty. Investment in all kinds of science, in the military, in infrastructure, etc. all proceed despite poverty. And this is a good thing. If governments limited themselves to fighting poverty, they might eradicate poverty but we'd be stuck in the 1940s technology-wise. Computers, the internet, modern materials, modern agriculture all exist because governments decided to spend money on projects that didn't have an immediate return on investment.
Learning more about the universe around us is never a bad thing.
Apart from that, the cartoon is bullshit. Governments aren't "ignoring the distress calls from Earth", far from it. Billions are spent every year improving the world.
$endgroup$
Governments do lots of things despite the existence of poverty. Investment in all kinds of science, in the military, in infrastructure, etc. all proceed despite poverty. And this is a good thing. If governments limited themselves to fighting poverty, they might eradicate poverty but we'd be stuck in the 1940s technology-wise. Computers, the internet, modern materials, modern agriculture all exist because governments decided to spend money on projects that didn't have an immediate return on investment.
Learning more about the universe around us is never a bad thing.
Apart from that, the cartoon is bullshit. Governments aren't "ignoring the distress calls from Earth", far from it. Billions are spent every year improving the world.
answered 3 hours ago
HobbesHobbes
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Thanks for the answer! However, poverty was just an example (which I didn't make clear). I've edited the question
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– Dr. Mathva
2 hours ago
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Thanks for the answer! However, poverty was just an example (which I didn't make clear). I've edited the question
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– Dr. Mathva
2 hours ago
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Thanks for the answer! However, poverty was just an example (which I didn't make clear). I've edited the question
$endgroup$
– Dr. Mathva
2 hours ago
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Thanks for the answer! However, poverty was just an example (which I didn't make clear). I've edited the question
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– Dr. Mathva
2 hours ago
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$begingroup$
Everything is in spae! Where else could it be? All energy, all resources, everything to be discovered. Even YOU are in space, if you didn't fathom it until I told you so. What is there to investigate if not space? Nothing? Then unuse your brain.
$endgroup$
– LocalFluff
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
If you believe the logic of that question, you should first have to answer “The world has invested trillions on Earth without resolving (favorite issue). Why should we invest any more?”
$endgroup$
– Bob Jacobsen
2 hours ago