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How can ruler support inventing of useful things?
How to make a theoretical economy grow when both average consumption of nonrenewable resources per person and total population are constant?How to accelerate living things really fast without killing them?How much life could our galaxy support?How Useful Is Super Strength (for punching)?How fast could Earth rotate and continue to support life?How do I cheaply move things into space?How would people deny obviously supernatural things in a modern setting?Heat regulation in an asteroid base powered by a small nuclear reactorHow far can civilization go without inventing the calendar?Can you tell me which are the things or the group of the things that the character of my story can use to paralyze his elder brother?
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Good ruler supports inventing of useful things. But this question has two sides.
- own support of inventing of useful things
- prevention of false inventing
Base:
Many inventions are side-effects of searching for something else. And base of current chemistry is in alchemy and its attempts to find philosopher's stone or so. Also, there are some researches that have not direct effect but still they are needed.
Theory:
Fantasy without philosopher's stone (or so) may sound like a non-sense. But let's say that ruler does not believe in existence of philosopher's stone (or invisibility or so) and wants to invent something really useful (for example how to improve public health and cure some illnesses) instead it and is resolved to pay such research very well.
And where are money, there are also cheaters. So ruler wants to check that all researches he (or she) pays are really researches of only things related to main goal.
Background/Inspiration:
This question is inspired by one old czech movie and one concrete scene from it:
Alchemist should prepare potion of rejuvenation but he does anything else instead it (for example floor polish).
In one stage of that inventing (and in that mentioned scene) he should find mandragora and prepare it but he cooks sausages with horseradish in great pot instead it.
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Good ruler supports inventing of useful things. But this question has two sides.
- own support of inventing of useful things
- prevention of false inventing
Base:
Many inventions are side-effects of searching for something else. And base of current chemistry is in alchemy and its attempts to find philosopher's stone or so. Also, there are some researches that have not direct effect but still they are needed.
Theory:
Fantasy without philosopher's stone (or so) may sound like a non-sense. But let's say that ruler does not believe in existence of philosopher's stone (or invisibility or so) and wants to invent something really useful (for example how to improve public health and cure some illnesses) instead it and is resolved to pay such research very well.
And where are money, there are also cheaters. So ruler wants to check that all researches he (or she) pays are really researches of only things related to main goal.
Background/Inspiration:
This question is inspired by one old czech movie and one concrete scene from it:
Alchemist should prepare potion of rejuvenation but he does anything else instead it (for example floor polish).
In one stage of that inventing (and in that mentioned scene) he should find mandragora and prepare it but he cooks sausages with horseradish in great pot instead it.
science-based society security
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Link up Czech movie or provide name, please? I am that alchemist.
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– Willk
6 hours ago
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@Willk: OK, here it is: csfd.cz/film/3094-cisaruv-pekar-pekaruv-cisar . It is two part movie. Scene mentioned above, is in the first part.
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Good ruler supports inventing of useful things. But this question has two sides.
- own support of inventing of useful things
- prevention of false inventing
Base:
Many inventions are side-effects of searching for something else. And base of current chemistry is in alchemy and its attempts to find philosopher's stone or so. Also, there are some researches that have not direct effect but still they are needed.
Theory:
Fantasy without philosopher's stone (or so) may sound like a non-sense. But let's say that ruler does not believe in existence of philosopher's stone (or invisibility or so) and wants to invent something really useful (for example how to improve public health and cure some illnesses) instead it and is resolved to pay such research very well.
And where are money, there are also cheaters. So ruler wants to check that all researches he (or she) pays are really researches of only things related to main goal.
Background/Inspiration:
This question is inspired by one old czech movie and one concrete scene from it:
Alchemist should prepare potion of rejuvenation but he does anything else instead it (for example floor polish).
In one stage of that inventing (and in that mentioned scene) he should find mandragora and prepare it but he cooks sausages with horseradish in great pot instead it.
science-based society security
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Good ruler supports inventing of useful things. But this question has two sides.
- own support of inventing of useful things
- prevention of false inventing
Base:
Many inventions are side-effects of searching for something else. And base of current chemistry is in alchemy and its attempts to find philosopher's stone or so. Also, there are some researches that have not direct effect but still they are needed.
Theory:
Fantasy without philosopher's stone (or so) may sound like a non-sense. But let's say that ruler does not believe in existence of philosopher's stone (or invisibility or so) and wants to invent something really useful (for example how to improve public health and cure some illnesses) instead it and is resolved to pay such research very well.
And where are money, there are also cheaters. So ruler wants to check that all researches he (or she) pays are really researches of only things related to main goal.
Background/Inspiration:
This question is inspired by one old czech movie and one concrete scene from it:
Alchemist should prepare potion of rejuvenation but he does anything else instead it (for example floor polish).
In one stage of that inventing (and in that mentioned scene) he should find mandragora and prepare it but he cooks sausages with horseradish in great pot instead it.
science-based society security
science-based society security
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Link up Czech movie or provide name, please? I am that alchemist.
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– Willk
6 hours ago
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@Willk: OK, here it is: csfd.cz/film/3094-cisaruv-pekar-pekaruv-cisar . It is two part movie. Scene mentioned above, is in the first part.
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– Václav
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Link up Czech movie or provide name, please? I am that alchemist.
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– Willk
6 hours ago
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@Willk: OK, here it is: csfd.cz/film/3094-cisaruv-pekar-pekaruv-cisar . It is two part movie. Scene mentioned above, is in the first part.
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– Václav
4 hours ago
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Link up Czech movie or provide name, please? I am that alchemist.
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– Willk
6 hours ago
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Link up Czech movie or provide name, please? I am that alchemist.
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– Willk
6 hours ago
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@Willk: OK, here it is: csfd.cz/film/3094-cisaruv-pekar-pekaruv-cisar . It is two part movie. Scene mentioned above, is in the first part.
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– Václav
4 hours ago
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@Willk: OK, here it is: csfd.cz/film/3094-cisaruv-pekar-pekaruv-cisar . It is two part movie. Scene mentioned above, is in the first part.
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Historically, this is what patents are for. A patent does three main things:
FIRST a patent grants the inventor a monopoly on making and selling their invention for some period of time, with legally established methods of enforcing the monopoly. They can charge license fees, or sue to stop infringement and obtain reparations.
SECOND a patent requires the inventor to disclose the invention in public records -- which means that, in order to gain his monopoly, he has to tell the world how the item is made. Disclosure does two important things: it ensures that the invention can be copied after the patent expires, and it allows anyone to replicate the patent for research purposes, which prevents patenting bogus inventions. If your invention works, but no one can replicate it, someone else can patent the actual way you make it -- and if it doesn't, no one will want to buy it.
THIRD a patent expires after some period (in the USA, that's 17 years, with a shorter renewal available in some cases). After that, anyone can make the patented item, or make improvements on it, without paying a license fee -- the patented item becomes open to competitive forces.
Patents aren't perfect -- one could argue there are some heinous issues with current American patent law -- but historically, they're widely held to be a major contributor to scientific and industrial progress, by making inventing both profitable and publicly available.
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A side effect of the disclosure requirement is that the invention can to some extent be checked to verify that it works as advertised. This acts against bogus inventions like perpetual motion machines.
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– Jeff Zeitlin
6 hours ago
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Yep. And for things like that, even in this day of "paper-only" patents, the US PTO requires a working model. Nobody's done it yet...
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– Zeiss Ikon
6 hours ago
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The second is most important, as it prevents technologies from being lost.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU Arguably, the whole point of the first is to incentivize the second. Why would anyone make an invention public? Because by doing so they can enforce a monopoly for a couple decades. And without the third, we wind up with the problem copyright has now, by the time it expires, no one remembers it (unless it's something universal, like zippers or Kleenex).
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– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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@RichardU Wasn't arguing, just emphasizing. Addressed you concern about fake inventions, too.
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There are two ways of achieving this:
- Supporting the research
- Rewarding for inventions
Of course, any good ruler can do both.
For research support, the ruler can (in the order of practicality in medieval times) employ scientists directly, establish an academy, give grants to an independent institution, or give private grants to any researcher.
For rewarding the inventions, the ruler should establish a scientific panel for evaluating them, and then either employ the inventor directly, or give him (or her) a grant to implement the invention independently. Patent system (@Zeiss Ikon) also can be helpful.
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+1 @ZeisIkon, Patents are one arm of a two prong approach to getting a culture of invention going.
The other prong to get this going is expressed interest by the ruler. If the ruler likes painted duck decoys, people will get really good at painting duck decoys to get the ruler's attention.
If the ruler lets it be known to the land that they love new things and new ideas, people will bring new ideas to them to show off. If the ruler then does something that rewards the ones with truely useful or interesting inventions, the rest of the people will see this as a method of advancement and a way to catch the ruler's eye.
Nobles may search for clever people to present to the ruler and thus gain prestige that way.
Since the ruler cannot see every new idea, have festivals to show off new inventions. That way people without noble backing can see that they have a chance to get recognition.
Eventually there would have to be some kind of filter so regional events will have to be held with the best stuff being presented to the ruler.
Also, events can be held with a theme and/or to solve a particular problem. For example, figure out a way to provide more water to the capital or grow more food with less work. However, there still should be general events to promote creative thinking.
Those presenting their inventions at a contest can be given patents if the invention is unique and useful.
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Run a peer-reviewed journal
Presumably, the king is funding research, but there's a lot of bogus science. The king probably doesn't understand alchemy, but the alchemists do. Require that everything published in the journal be verified by an independent alchemist or two. Give grants for successful publishing. The more consistently your invention works, the more money you get from the king.
Like patents, there are ways to game the system, but this at least weeds out the obvious liars.
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How would that prevent the creation of another Trofim Lysenko?
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU What exactly do you mean by that? I just read the wikipedia article and I don't see anything bad that a king would need to prevent.
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The problem with peer reviews is that they can get in the way. Louis Pasteur was so stifled by his compatriots of the day, germ theory didn't take hold until he started showing up at fairs and demonstrating it, circumventing his peers, Lysenko himself managed to curry the favor of his peers, and Nikolai Vavilov, starved to death in a gulag.
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– Richard U
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So, I guess my point would be, how would you stop someone like Lysenko from pushing aside a Vavilov? Lysenko vs Vavilov
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Historically, this is what patents are for. A patent does three main things:
FIRST a patent grants the inventor a monopoly on making and selling their invention for some period of time, with legally established methods of enforcing the monopoly. They can charge license fees, or sue to stop infringement and obtain reparations.
SECOND a patent requires the inventor to disclose the invention in public records -- which means that, in order to gain his monopoly, he has to tell the world how the item is made. Disclosure does two important things: it ensures that the invention can be copied after the patent expires, and it allows anyone to replicate the patent for research purposes, which prevents patenting bogus inventions. If your invention works, but no one can replicate it, someone else can patent the actual way you make it -- and if it doesn't, no one will want to buy it.
THIRD a patent expires after some period (in the USA, that's 17 years, with a shorter renewal available in some cases). After that, anyone can make the patented item, or make improvements on it, without paying a license fee -- the patented item becomes open to competitive forces.
Patents aren't perfect -- one could argue there are some heinous issues with current American patent law -- but historically, they're widely held to be a major contributor to scientific and industrial progress, by making inventing both profitable and publicly available.
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A side effect of the disclosure requirement is that the invention can to some extent be checked to verify that it works as advertised. This acts against bogus inventions like perpetual motion machines.
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– Jeff Zeitlin
6 hours ago
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Yep. And for things like that, even in this day of "paper-only" patents, the US PTO requires a working model. Nobody's done it yet...
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– Zeiss Ikon
6 hours ago
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The second is most important, as it prevents technologies from being lost.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU Arguably, the whole point of the first is to incentivize the second. Why would anyone make an invention public? Because by doing so they can enforce a monopoly for a couple decades. And without the third, we wind up with the problem copyright has now, by the time it expires, no one remembers it (unless it's something universal, like zippers or Kleenex).
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– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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@RichardU Wasn't arguing, just emphasizing. Addressed you concern about fake inventions, too.
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– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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Historically, this is what patents are for. A patent does three main things:
FIRST a patent grants the inventor a monopoly on making and selling their invention for some period of time, with legally established methods of enforcing the monopoly. They can charge license fees, or sue to stop infringement and obtain reparations.
SECOND a patent requires the inventor to disclose the invention in public records -- which means that, in order to gain his monopoly, he has to tell the world how the item is made. Disclosure does two important things: it ensures that the invention can be copied after the patent expires, and it allows anyone to replicate the patent for research purposes, which prevents patenting bogus inventions. If your invention works, but no one can replicate it, someone else can patent the actual way you make it -- and if it doesn't, no one will want to buy it.
THIRD a patent expires after some period (in the USA, that's 17 years, with a shorter renewal available in some cases). After that, anyone can make the patented item, or make improvements on it, without paying a license fee -- the patented item becomes open to competitive forces.
Patents aren't perfect -- one could argue there are some heinous issues with current American patent law -- but historically, they're widely held to be a major contributor to scientific and industrial progress, by making inventing both profitable and publicly available.
$endgroup$
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A side effect of the disclosure requirement is that the invention can to some extent be checked to verify that it works as advertised. This acts against bogus inventions like perpetual motion machines.
$endgroup$
– Jeff Zeitlin
6 hours ago
1
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Yep. And for things like that, even in this day of "paper-only" patents, the US PTO requires a working model. Nobody's done it yet...
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– Zeiss Ikon
6 hours ago
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The second is most important, as it prevents technologies from being lost.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
1
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@RichardU Arguably, the whole point of the first is to incentivize the second. Why would anyone make an invention public? Because by doing so they can enforce a monopoly for a couple decades. And without the third, we wind up with the problem copyright has now, by the time it expires, no one remembers it (unless it's something universal, like zippers or Kleenex).
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– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
1
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@RichardU Wasn't arguing, just emphasizing. Addressed you concern about fake inventions, too.
$endgroup$
– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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show 3 more comments
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Historically, this is what patents are for. A patent does three main things:
FIRST a patent grants the inventor a monopoly on making and selling their invention for some period of time, with legally established methods of enforcing the monopoly. They can charge license fees, or sue to stop infringement and obtain reparations.
SECOND a patent requires the inventor to disclose the invention in public records -- which means that, in order to gain his monopoly, he has to tell the world how the item is made. Disclosure does two important things: it ensures that the invention can be copied after the patent expires, and it allows anyone to replicate the patent for research purposes, which prevents patenting bogus inventions. If your invention works, but no one can replicate it, someone else can patent the actual way you make it -- and if it doesn't, no one will want to buy it.
THIRD a patent expires after some period (in the USA, that's 17 years, with a shorter renewal available in some cases). After that, anyone can make the patented item, or make improvements on it, without paying a license fee -- the patented item becomes open to competitive forces.
Patents aren't perfect -- one could argue there are some heinous issues with current American patent law -- but historically, they're widely held to be a major contributor to scientific and industrial progress, by making inventing both profitable and publicly available.
$endgroup$
Historically, this is what patents are for. A patent does three main things:
FIRST a patent grants the inventor a monopoly on making and selling their invention for some period of time, with legally established methods of enforcing the monopoly. They can charge license fees, or sue to stop infringement and obtain reparations.
SECOND a patent requires the inventor to disclose the invention in public records -- which means that, in order to gain his monopoly, he has to tell the world how the item is made. Disclosure does two important things: it ensures that the invention can be copied after the patent expires, and it allows anyone to replicate the patent for research purposes, which prevents patenting bogus inventions. If your invention works, but no one can replicate it, someone else can patent the actual way you make it -- and if it doesn't, no one will want to buy it.
THIRD a patent expires after some period (in the USA, that's 17 years, with a shorter renewal available in some cases). After that, anyone can make the patented item, or make improvements on it, without paying a license fee -- the patented item becomes open to competitive forces.
Patents aren't perfect -- one could argue there are some heinous issues with current American patent law -- but historically, they're widely held to be a major contributor to scientific and industrial progress, by making inventing both profitable and publicly available.
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A side effect of the disclosure requirement is that the invention can to some extent be checked to verify that it works as advertised. This acts against bogus inventions like perpetual motion machines.
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– Jeff Zeitlin
6 hours ago
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Yep. And for things like that, even in this day of "paper-only" patents, the US PTO requires a working model. Nobody's done it yet...
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– Zeiss Ikon
6 hours ago
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The second is most important, as it prevents technologies from being lost.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU Arguably, the whole point of the first is to incentivize the second. Why would anyone make an invention public? Because by doing so they can enforce a monopoly for a couple decades. And without the third, we wind up with the problem copyright has now, by the time it expires, no one remembers it (unless it's something universal, like zippers or Kleenex).
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– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
1
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@RichardU Wasn't arguing, just emphasizing. Addressed you concern about fake inventions, too.
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– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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show 3 more comments
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A side effect of the disclosure requirement is that the invention can to some extent be checked to verify that it works as advertised. This acts against bogus inventions like perpetual motion machines.
$endgroup$
– Jeff Zeitlin
6 hours ago
1
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Yep. And for things like that, even in this day of "paper-only" patents, the US PTO requires a working model. Nobody's done it yet...
$endgroup$
– Zeiss Ikon
6 hours ago
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The second is most important, as it prevents technologies from being lost.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
1
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@RichardU Arguably, the whole point of the first is to incentivize the second. Why would anyone make an invention public? Because by doing so they can enforce a monopoly for a couple decades. And without the third, we wind up with the problem copyright has now, by the time it expires, no one remembers it (unless it's something universal, like zippers or Kleenex).
$endgroup$
– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
1
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@RichardU Wasn't arguing, just emphasizing. Addressed you concern about fake inventions, too.
$endgroup$
– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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A side effect of the disclosure requirement is that the invention can to some extent be checked to verify that it works as advertised. This acts against bogus inventions like perpetual motion machines.
$endgroup$
– Jeff Zeitlin
6 hours ago
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A side effect of the disclosure requirement is that the invention can to some extent be checked to verify that it works as advertised. This acts against bogus inventions like perpetual motion machines.
$endgroup$
– Jeff Zeitlin
6 hours ago
1
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Yep. And for things like that, even in this day of "paper-only" patents, the US PTO requires a working model. Nobody's done it yet...
$endgroup$
– Zeiss Ikon
6 hours ago
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Yep. And for things like that, even in this day of "paper-only" patents, the US PTO requires a working model. Nobody's done it yet...
$endgroup$
– Zeiss Ikon
6 hours ago
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The second is most important, as it prevents technologies from being lost.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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The second is most important, as it prevents technologies from being lost.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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1
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@RichardU Arguably, the whole point of the first is to incentivize the second. Why would anyone make an invention public? Because by doing so they can enforce a monopoly for a couple decades. And without the third, we wind up with the problem copyright has now, by the time it expires, no one remembers it (unless it's something universal, like zippers or Kleenex).
$endgroup$
– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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@RichardU Arguably, the whole point of the first is to incentivize the second. Why would anyone make an invention public? Because by doing so they can enforce a monopoly for a couple decades. And without the third, we wind up with the problem copyright has now, by the time it expires, no one remembers it (unless it's something universal, like zippers or Kleenex).
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@RichardU Wasn't arguing, just emphasizing. Addressed you concern about fake inventions, too.
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– Zeiss Ikon
5 hours ago
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@RichardU Wasn't arguing, just emphasizing. Addressed you concern about fake inventions, too.
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There are two ways of achieving this:
- Supporting the research
- Rewarding for inventions
Of course, any good ruler can do both.
For research support, the ruler can (in the order of practicality in medieval times) employ scientists directly, establish an academy, give grants to an independent institution, or give private grants to any researcher.
For rewarding the inventions, the ruler should establish a scientific panel for evaluating them, and then either employ the inventor directly, or give him (or her) a grant to implement the invention independently. Patent system (@Zeiss Ikon) also can be helpful.
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There are two ways of achieving this:
- Supporting the research
- Rewarding for inventions
Of course, any good ruler can do both.
For research support, the ruler can (in the order of practicality in medieval times) employ scientists directly, establish an academy, give grants to an independent institution, or give private grants to any researcher.
For rewarding the inventions, the ruler should establish a scientific panel for evaluating them, and then either employ the inventor directly, or give him (or her) a grant to implement the invention independently. Patent system (@Zeiss Ikon) also can be helpful.
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There are two ways of achieving this:
- Supporting the research
- Rewarding for inventions
Of course, any good ruler can do both.
For research support, the ruler can (in the order of practicality in medieval times) employ scientists directly, establish an academy, give grants to an independent institution, or give private grants to any researcher.
For rewarding the inventions, the ruler should establish a scientific panel for evaluating them, and then either employ the inventor directly, or give him (or her) a grant to implement the invention independently. Patent system (@Zeiss Ikon) also can be helpful.
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There are two ways of achieving this:
- Supporting the research
- Rewarding for inventions
Of course, any good ruler can do both.
For research support, the ruler can (in the order of practicality in medieval times) employ scientists directly, establish an academy, give grants to an independent institution, or give private grants to any researcher.
For rewarding the inventions, the ruler should establish a scientific panel for evaluating them, and then either employ the inventor directly, or give him (or her) a grant to implement the invention independently. Patent system (@Zeiss Ikon) also can be helpful.
answered 5 hours ago
AlexanderAlexander
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+1 @ZeisIkon, Patents are one arm of a two prong approach to getting a culture of invention going.
The other prong to get this going is expressed interest by the ruler. If the ruler likes painted duck decoys, people will get really good at painting duck decoys to get the ruler's attention.
If the ruler lets it be known to the land that they love new things and new ideas, people will bring new ideas to them to show off. If the ruler then does something that rewards the ones with truely useful or interesting inventions, the rest of the people will see this as a method of advancement and a way to catch the ruler's eye.
Nobles may search for clever people to present to the ruler and thus gain prestige that way.
Since the ruler cannot see every new idea, have festivals to show off new inventions. That way people without noble backing can see that they have a chance to get recognition.
Eventually there would have to be some kind of filter so regional events will have to be held with the best stuff being presented to the ruler.
Also, events can be held with a theme and/or to solve a particular problem. For example, figure out a way to provide more water to the capital or grow more food with less work. However, there still should be general events to promote creative thinking.
Those presenting their inventions at a contest can be given patents if the invention is unique and useful.
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+1 @ZeisIkon, Patents are one arm of a two prong approach to getting a culture of invention going.
The other prong to get this going is expressed interest by the ruler. If the ruler likes painted duck decoys, people will get really good at painting duck decoys to get the ruler's attention.
If the ruler lets it be known to the land that they love new things and new ideas, people will bring new ideas to them to show off. If the ruler then does something that rewards the ones with truely useful or interesting inventions, the rest of the people will see this as a method of advancement and a way to catch the ruler's eye.
Nobles may search for clever people to present to the ruler and thus gain prestige that way.
Since the ruler cannot see every new idea, have festivals to show off new inventions. That way people without noble backing can see that they have a chance to get recognition.
Eventually there would have to be some kind of filter so regional events will have to be held with the best stuff being presented to the ruler.
Also, events can be held with a theme and/or to solve a particular problem. For example, figure out a way to provide more water to the capital or grow more food with less work. However, there still should be general events to promote creative thinking.
Those presenting their inventions at a contest can be given patents if the invention is unique and useful.
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+1 @ZeisIkon, Patents are one arm of a two prong approach to getting a culture of invention going.
The other prong to get this going is expressed interest by the ruler. If the ruler likes painted duck decoys, people will get really good at painting duck decoys to get the ruler's attention.
If the ruler lets it be known to the land that they love new things and new ideas, people will bring new ideas to them to show off. If the ruler then does something that rewards the ones with truely useful or interesting inventions, the rest of the people will see this as a method of advancement and a way to catch the ruler's eye.
Nobles may search for clever people to present to the ruler and thus gain prestige that way.
Since the ruler cannot see every new idea, have festivals to show off new inventions. That way people without noble backing can see that they have a chance to get recognition.
Eventually there would have to be some kind of filter so regional events will have to be held with the best stuff being presented to the ruler.
Also, events can be held with a theme and/or to solve a particular problem. For example, figure out a way to provide more water to the capital or grow more food with less work. However, there still should be general events to promote creative thinking.
Those presenting their inventions at a contest can be given patents if the invention is unique and useful.
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+1 @ZeisIkon, Patents are one arm of a two prong approach to getting a culture of invention going.
The other prong to get this going is expressed interest by the ruler. If the ruler likes painted duck decoys, people will get really good at painting duck decoys to get the ruler's attention.
If the ruler lets it be known to the land that they love new things and new ideas, people will bring new ideas to them to show off. If the ruler then does something that rewards the ones with truely useful or interesting inventions, the rest of the people will see this as a method of advancement and a way to catch the ruler's eye.
Nobles may search for clever people to present to the ruler and thus gain prestige that way.
Since the ruler cannot see every new idea, have festivals to show off new inventions. That way people without noble backing can see that they have a chance to get recognition.
Eventually there would have to be some kind of filter so regional events will have to be held with the best stuff being presented to the ruler.
Also, events can be held with a theme and/or to solve a particular problem. For example, figure out a way to provide more water to the capital or grow more food with less work. However, there still should be general events to promote creative thinking.
Those presenting their inventions at a contest can be given patents if the invention is unique and useful.
answered 5 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
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Run a peer-reviewed journal
Presumably, the king is funding research, but there's a lot of bogus science. The king probably doesn't understand alchemy, but the alchemists do. Require that everything published in the journal be verified by an independent alchemist or two. Give grants for successful publishing. The more consistently your invention works, the more money you get from the king.
Like patents, there are ways to game the system, but this at least weeds out the obvious liars.
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How would that prevent the creation of another Trofim Lysenko?
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU What exactly do you mean by that? I just read the wikipedia article and I don't see anything bad that a king would need to prevent.
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– Beefster
5 hours ago
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The problem with peer reviews is that they can get in the way. Louis Pasteur was so stifled by his compatriots of the day, germ theory didn't take hold until he started showing up at fairs and demonstrating it, circumventing his peers, Lysenko himself managed to curry the favor of his peers, and Nikolai Vavilov, starved to death in a gulag.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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So, I guess my point would be, how would you stop someone like Lysenko from pushing aside a Vavilov? Lysenko vs Vavilov
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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Run a peer-reviewed journal
Presumably, the king is funding research, but there's a lot of bogus science. The king probably doesn't understand alchemy, but the alchemists do. Require that everything published in the journal be verified by an independent alchemist or two. Give grants for successful publishing. The more consistently your invention works, the more money you get from the king.
Like patents, there are ways to game the system, but this at least weeds out the obvious liars.
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How would that prevent the creation of another Trofim Lysenko?
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU What exactly do you mean by that? I just read the wikipedia article and I don't see anything bad that a king would need to prevent.
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– Beefster
5 hours ago
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The problem with peer reviews is that they can get in the way. Louis Pasteur was so stifled by his compatriots of the day, germ theory didn't take hold until he started showing up at fairs and demonstrating it, circumventing his peers, Lysenko himself managed to curry the favor of his peers, and Nikolai Vavilov, starved to death in a gulag.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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So, I guess my point would be, how would you stop someone like Lysenko from pushing aside a Vavilov? Lysenko vs Vavilov
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Run a peer-reviewed journal
Presumably, the king is funding research, but there's a lot of bogus science. The king probably doesn't understand alchemy, but the alchemists do. Require that everything published in the journal be verified by an independent alchemist or two. Give grants for successful publishing. The more consistently your invention works, the more money you get from the king.
Like patents, there are ways to game the system, but this at least weeds out the obvious liars.
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Run a peer-reviewed journal
Presumably, the king is funding research, but there's a lot of bogus science. The king probably doesn't understand alchemy, but the alchemists do. Require that everything published in the journal be verified by an independent alchemist or two. Give grants for successful publishing. The more consistently your invention works, the more money you get from the king.
Like patents, there are ways to game the system, but this at least weeds out the obvious liars.
answered 6 hours ago
BeefsterBeefster
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How would that prevent the creation of another Trofim Lysenko?
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU What exactly do you mean by that? I just read the wikipedia article and I don't see anything bad that a king would need to prevent.
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– Beefster
5 hours ago
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The problem with peer reviews is that they can get in the way. Louis Pasteur was so stifled by his compatriots of the day, germ theory didn't take hold until he started showing up at fairs and demonstrating it, circumventing his peers, Lysenko himself managed to curry the favor of his peers, and Nikolai Vavilov, starved to death in a gulag.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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So, I guess my point would be, how would you stop someone like Lysenko from pushing aside a Vavilov? Lysenko vs Vavilov
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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How would that prevent the creation of another Trofim Lysenko?
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU What exactly do you mean by that? I just read the wikipedia article and I don't see anything bad that a king would need to prevent.
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– Beefster
5 hours ago
1
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The problem with peer reviews is that they can get in the way. Louis Pasteur was so stifled by his compatriots of the day, germ theory didn't take hold until he started showing up at fairs and demonstrating it, circumventing his peers, Lysenko himself managed to curry the favor of his peers, and Nikolai Vavilov, starved to death in a gulag.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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So, I guess my point would be, how would you stop someone like Lysenko from pushing aside a Vavilov? Lysenko vs Vavilov
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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How would that prevent the creation of another Trofim Lysenko?
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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How would that prevent the creation of another Trofim Lysenko?
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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@RichardU What exactly do you mean by that? I just read the wikipedia article and I don't see anything bad that a king would need to prevent.
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– Beefster
5 hours ago
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@RichardU What exactly do you mean by that? I just read the wikipedia article and I don't see anything bad that a king would need to prevent.
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– Beefster
5 hours ago
1
1
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The problem with peer reviews is that they can get in the way. Louis Pasteur was so stifled by his compatriots of the day, germ theory didn't take hold until he started showing up at fairs and demonstrating it, circumventing his peers, Lysenko himself managed to curry the favor of his peers, and Nikolai Vavilov, starved to death in a gulag.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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The problem with peer reviews is that they can get in the way. Louis Pasteur was so stifled by his compatriots of the day, germ theory didn't take hold until he started showing up at fairs and demonstrating it, circumventing his peers, Lysenko himself managed to curry the favor of his peers, and Nikolai Vavilov, starved to death in a gulag.
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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So, I guess my point would be, how would you stop someone like Lysenko from pushing aside a Vavilov? Lysenko vs Vavilov
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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So, I guess my point would be, how would you stop someone like Lysenko from pushing aside a Vavilov? Lysenko vs Vavilov
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– Richard U
5 hours ago
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Link up Czech movie or provide name, please? I am that alchemist.
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– Willk
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@Willk: OK, here it is: csfd.cz/film/3094-cisaruv-pekar-pekaruv-cisar . It is two part movie. Scene mentioned above, is in the first part.
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– Václav
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