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“lassen” in meaning “sich fassen”


Meaning of “mach, dass…”Bedeutung von “hinter sich wissen”“Sich vorkommen” vs “Sich fühlen”An für sich - richtig?What does the 17th-century German phrase »den kopff herunter hawen« mean?Meaning of phrase “an und für sich”Kann man “mit sich ziehen” sagen?Unterschied zwischen “Ich habe mir sagen lassen” und “Mir wurde gesagt”Sich auf den Rücken drehen / wälzenUnderstanding “es sich gut gehen lassen”













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On wiktionary it is said that one of the meanings of lassen is sich fassen.



So, can you help me, what does the following sentence, put as en example on wiktionary, mean:




Und wenn dann rings umher sich Niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte, so saß er selbst, mit seiner großen, gebogenen Nase, […] (Thomas Mann, Buddenbrooks)




and what is vor Lachen zu lassen and what the verb wissen and preposition vor has to do with this?










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    On wiktionary it is said that one of the meanings of lassen is sich fassen.



    So, can you help me, what does the following sentence, put as en example on wiktionary, mean:




    Und wenn dann rings umher sich Niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte, so saß er selbst, mit seiner großen, gebogenen Nase, […] (Thomas Mann, Buddenbrooks)




    and what is vor Lachen zu lassen and what the verb wissen and preposition vor has to do with this?










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      On wiktionary it is said that one of the meanings of lassen is sich fassen.



      So, can you help me, what does the following sentence, put as en example on wiktionary, mean:




      Und wenn dann rings umher sich Niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte, so saß er selbst, mit seiner großen, gebogenen Nase, […] (Thomas Mann, Buddenbrooks)




      and what is vor Lachen zu lassen and what the verb wissen and preposition vor has to do with this?










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      On wiktionary it is said that one of the meanings of lassen is sich fassen.



      So, can you help me, what does the following sentence, put as en example on wiktionary, mean:




      Und wenn dann rings umher sich Niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte, so saß er selbst, mit seiner großen, gebogenen Nase, […] (Thomas Mann, Buddenbrooks)




      and what is vor Lachen zu lassen and what the verb wissen and preposition vor has to do with this?







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          It is mind-boggling that Wiktionary pretends die Beherrschung behalten is a meaning of lassen. Quite obviously, sich nicht zu lassen wissen is an idiom, i.e. the meaning of the whole cannot be derived from the meaning of its parts: it does not mean nicht wissen, wie man sich läßt. A dictionary written by professionals of course acknowledges this fact.




          https://www.dwds.de/wb/wdg/lassen



          7. sich nicht zu l. wissen sich nicht fassen, beruhigen können: Resi … hat sich vor Wiedersehensfreude gar nicht zu lassen gewußt KÄSTNER Lottchen 57; wenn dann ringsumher sich niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte TH. MANN 1,278 (Buddenbr.)




          The preposition vor is not part of the idiom. It is used to introduce a causal adjunct, just as in vor Wut rot anlaufen, vor Kraft kaum laufen können.






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          • Maybe they are referring to Grimm > lassen 13 & 13b but omitting the "mit reflexivem acc:"

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          • I love DWB. But if all the examples of lassen allegedly meaning sich beherrschen contain a negation, a reflexive pronoun and a verb with the meaning be able to, then we are dealing with an idiom and not a meaning of the word lassen.

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          It is mind-boggling that Wiktionary pretends die Beherrschung behalten is a meaning of lassen. Quite obviously, sich nicht zu lassen wissen is an idiom, i.e. the meaning of the whole cannot be derived from the meaning of its parts: it does not mean nicht wissen, wie man sich läßt. A dictionary written by professionals of course acknowledges this fact.




          https://www.dwds.de/wb/wdg/lassen



          7. sich nicht zu l. wissen sich nicht fassen, beruhigen können: Resi … hat sich vor Wiedersehensfreude gar nicht zu lassen gewußt KÄSTNER Lottchen 57; wenn dann ringsumher sich niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte TH. MANN 1,278 (Buddenbr.)




          The preposition vor is not part of the idiom. It is used to introduce a causal adjunct, just as in vor Wut rot anlaufen, vor Kraft kaum laufen können.






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          • Maybe they are referring to Grimm > lassen 13 & 13b but omitting the "mit reflexivem acc:"

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          • I love DWB. But if all the examples of lassen allegedly meaning sich beherrschen contain a negation, a reflexive pronoun and a verb with the meaning be able to, then we are dealing with an idiom and not a meaning of the word lassen.

            – David Vogt
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          It is mind-boggling that Wiktionary pretends die Beherrschung behalten is a meaning of lassen. Quite obviously, sich nicht zu lassen wissen is an idiom, i.e. the meaning of the whole cannot be derived from the meaning of its parts: it does not mean nicht wissen, wie man sich läßt. A dictionary written by professionals of course acknowledges this fact.




          https://www.dwds.de/wb/wdg/lassen



          7. sich nicht zu l. wissen sich nicht fassen, beruhigen können: Resi … hat sich vor Wiedersehensfreude gar nicht zu lassen gewußt KÄSTNER Lottchen 57; wenn dann ringsumher sich niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte TH. MANN 1,278 (Buddenbr.)




          The preposition vor is not part of the idiom. It is used to introduce a causal adjunct, just as in vor Wut rot anlaufen, vor Kraft kaum laufen können.






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          • Maybe they are referring to Grimm > lassen 13 & 13b but omitting the "mit reflexivem acc:"

            – mtwde
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          • I love DWB. But if all the examples of lassen allegedly meaning sich beherrschen contain a negation, a reflexive pronoun and a verb with the meaning be able to, then we are dealing with an idiom and not a meaning of the word lassen.

            – David Vogt
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          It is mind-boggling that Wiktionary pretends die Beherrschung behalten is a meaning of lassen. Quite obviously, sich nicht zu lassen wissen is an idiom, i.e. the meaning of the whole cannot be derived from the meaning of its parts: it does not mean nicht wissen, wie man sich läßt. A dictionary written by professionals of course acknowledges this fact.




          https://www.dwds.de/wb/wdg/lassen



          7. sich nicht zu l. wissen sich nicht fassen, beruhigen können: Resi … hat sich vor Wiedersehensfreude gar nicht zu lassen gewußt KÄSTNER Lottchen 57; wenn dann ringsumher sich niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte TH. MANN 1,278 (Buddenbr.)




          The preposition vor is not part of the idiom. It is used to introduce a causal adjunct, just as in vor Wut rot anlaufen, vor Kraft kaum laufen können.






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          It is mind-boggling that Wiktionary pretends die Beherrschung behalten is a meaning of lassen. Quite obviously, sich nicht zu lassen wissen is an idiom, i.e. the meaning of the whole cannot be derived from the meaning of its parts: it does not mean nicht wissen, wie man sich läßt. A dictionary written by professionals of course acknowledges this fact.




          https://www.dwds.de/wb/wdg/lassen



          7. sich nicht zu l. wissen sich nicht fassen, beruhigen können: Resi … hat sich vor Wiedersehensfreude gar nicht zu lassen gewußt KÄSTNER Lottchen 57; wenn dann ringsumher sich niemand vor Lachen zu lassen wußte TH. MANN 1,278 (Buddenbr.)




          The preposition vor is not part of the idiom. It is used to introduce a causal adjunct, just as in vor Wut rot anlaufen, vor Kraft kaum laufen können.







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          • Maybe they are referring to Grimm > lassen 13 & 13b but omitting the "mit reflexivem acc:"

            – mtwde
            4 hours ago












          • I love DWB. But if all the examples of lassen allegedly meaning sich beherrschen contain a negation, a reflexive pronoun and a verb with the meaning be able to, then we are dealing with an idiom and not a meaning of the word lassen.

            – David Vogt
            3 hours ago

















          • Maybe they are referring to Grimm > lassen 13 & 13b but omitting the "mit reflexivem acc:"

            – mtwde
            4 hours ago












          • I love DWB. But if all the examples of lassen allegedly meaning sich beherrschen contain a negation, a reflexive pronoun and a verb with the meaning be able to, then we are dealing with an idiom and not a meaning of the word lassen.

            – David Vogt
            3 hours ago
















          Maybe they are referring to Grimm > lassen 13 & 13b but omitting the "mit reflexivem acc:"

          – mtwde
          4 hours ago






          Maybe they are referring to Grimm > lassen 13 & 13b but omitting the "mit reflexivem acc:"

          – mtwde
          4 hours ago














          I love DWB. But if all the examples of lassen allegedly meaning sich beherrschen contain a negation, a reflexive pronoun and a verb with the meaning be able to, then we are dealing with an idiom and not a meaning of the word lassen.

          – David Vogt
          3 hours ago





          I love DWB. But if all the examples of lassen allegedly meaning sich beherrschen contain a negation, a reflexive pronoun and a verb with the meaning be able to, then we are dealing with an idiom and not a meaning of the word lassen.

          – David Vogt
          3 hours ago

















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