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Tools for generating characters' namesWhat connotations do these character names confer?Writing a character that has many namesAre words like 'cunt' too provocative for use in the current fiction market?Guidance on pacing the introduction of new charactersWhen naming a character, is thematic naming or realistic naming more important?Are connotations with certain names inevitable?organising complex networksGiving nonsensical names to thingsHow to describe my character using they/them so the reader doesn't know their gender until their pronouns show up later?













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In every country, some names are particularly common: 'John' in the UK, 'Juan' in Spain, 'Ivan' in Russia. Those names are common almost to the point of being stereotypical (consider 'John Doe').



If I have no more than one or two characters from a particular place, is it bad form to use those extremely common names? On the one hand, those names are common, that's real life. It is quite realistic to have a character from that location carry that name. On the other hand, it feels almost lazy to have a guy from Spain named Juan, and his sister is of course Maria. Like I couldn't be bothered to do the research and find some other names, and went with the most stereotypical ones instead.



Is there a way to strike a balance between conveying a strong sense of location with the names, and not being "too stereotypical"? (My particular situation is a setting in space with people from all over.)










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    In the case of Spanish, keep the traditional names but use their nicknames instead (Juan > Juani). Or give them second names and then use the nicknames too (María Teresa > Maité). For other languages, see what is possible. Keep in mind that some 'stereotypical' names have become olf-fashioned (eg. José isn't common nowadays amidst young Portuguese men). Sorry, don't have much time right now for a full answer.

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In every country, some names are particularly common: 'John' in the UK, 'Juan' in Spain, 'Ivan' in Russia. Those names are common almost to the point of being stereotypical (consider 'John Doe').



If I have no more than one or two characters from a particular place, is it bad form to use those extremely common names? On the one hand, those names are common, that's real life. It is quite realistic to have a character from that location carry that name. On the other hand, it feels almost lazy to have a guy from Spain named Juan, and his sister is of course Maria. Like I couldn't be bothered to do the research and find some other names, and went with the most stereotypical ones instead.



Is there a way to strike a balance between conveying a strong sense of location with the names, and not being "too stereotypical"? (My particular situation is a setting in space with people from all over.)










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    In the case of Spanish, keep the traditional names but use their nicknames instead (Juan > Juani). Or give them second names and then use the nicknames too (María Teresa > Maité). For other languages, see what is possible. Keep in mind that some 'stereotypical' names have become olf-fashioned (eg. José isn't common nowadays amidst young Portuguese men). Sorry, don't have much time right now for a full answer.

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In every country, some names are particularly common: 'John' in the UK, 'Juan' in Spain, 'Ivan' in Russia. Those names are common almost to the point of being stereotypical (consider 'John Doe').



If I have no more than one or two characters from a particular place, is it bad form to use those extremely common names? On the one hand, those names are common, that's real life. It is quite realistic to have a character from that location carry that name. On the other hand, it feels almost lazy to have a guy from Spain named Juan, and his sister is of course Maria. Like I couldn't be bothered to do the research and find some other names, and went with the most stereotypical ones instead.



Is there a way to strike a balance between conveying a strong sense of location with the names, and not being "too stereotypical"? (My particular situation is a setting in space with people from all over.)










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In every country, some names are particularly common: 'John' in the UK, 'Juan' in Spain, 'Ivan' in Russia. Those names are common almost to the point of being stereotypical (consider 'John Doe').



If I have no more than one or two characters from a particular place, is it bad form to use those extremely common names? On the one hand, those names are common, that's real life. It is quite realistic to have a character from that location carry that name. On the other hand, it feels almost lazy to have a guy from Spain named Juan, and his sister is of course Maria. Like I couldn't be bothered to do the research and find some other names, and went with the most stereotypical ones instead.



Is there a way to strike a balance between conveying a strong sense of location with the names, and not being "too stereotypical"? (My particular situation is a setting in space with people from all over.)







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    In the case of Spanish, keep the traditional names but use their nicknames instead (Juan > Juani). Or give them second names and then use the nicknames too (María Teresa > Maité). For other languages, see what is possible. Keep in mind that some 'stereotypical' names have become olf-fashioned (eg. José isn't common nowadays amidst young Portuguese men). Sorry, don't have much time right now for a full answer.

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    In the case of Spanish, keep the traditional names but use their nicknames instead (Juan > Juani). Or give them second names and then use the nicknames too (María Teresa > Maité). For other languages, see what is possible. Keep in mind that some 'stereotypical' names have become olf-fashioned (eg. José isn't common nowadays amidst young Portuguese men). Sorry, don't have much time right now for a full answer.

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In the case of Spanish, keep the traditional names but use their nicknames instead (Juan > Juani). Or give them second names and then use the nicknames too (María Teresa > Maité). For other languages, see what is possible. Keep in mind that some 'stereotypical' names have become olf-fashioned (eg. José isn't common nowadays amidst young Portuguese men). Sorry, don't have much time right now for a full answer.

– Sara Costa
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In the case of Spanish, keep the traditional names but use their nicknames instead (Juan > Juani). Or give them second names and then use the nicknames too (María Teresa > Maité). For other languages, see what is possible. Keep in mind that some 'stereotypical' names have become olf-fashioned (eg. José isn't common nowadays amidst young Portuguese men). Sorry, don't have much time right now for a full answer.

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The problem about this is that most of the time we want to read something about special people. Sure, we want to be able to sympathize with the character and for example superhero comics have a history of making it look like everyone could be Superman - or Shazam the 14-year-old-boy-transformed-into-a-superhero - but characters in books, comics, etc. tend to be special in some regards. By giving your protagonist a name that seemingly every second person has they can appear quite boring.



What name do you think would be more memorable: "Shazam" or "Billy"?



Yes, the protagonist in the linked comic series is named "Billy", quite the typical name. But most people will likely find his superhero form more memorable. Maybe you could use this and give your "Juan" and "Maria" interesting and memorable nicknames. Especially if they have a name that seemingly everyone else around them had that could be a reason to try and stand out. How do your characters feel about their name? Do they like this typical name? Maybe they like the feeling of proudly representing the majority. Or maybe they want to be special. Different. Not just another "Juan" or "Maria".



A lot of this depends on the setting. In fantasy or sci-fi settings it's far easier to just come up with new names. In modern day settings like in a thriller you will more likely use "normal" names. But this also depends on a lot of factors. Are you in a rural area where older names are more present? Or a metropolitan city with influences from all around the globe? Is the social class of your characters focused on traditions or innovation?



As you mention that you have a setting with lots of people from all over the world you could use steretypical names a few times. Maybe one or two out of a group of five people would feel like something that can actually happen while still not feeling as if you were simply too lazy to look up other names. But you should think about other options to refer to these characters and you should think about how the characters feel about their own names.






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    It is bad when your "national" character is one-dimensional. It is perfectly fine when this character is non-stereotypical.



    Creating a "representative" characters with stereotypical names is a bad (and well-worn) practice when those characters also reinforce popular stereotypes of a certain nation or racial group. On the other hand, if such character has depth and well-developed, steretotypical name becomes insignificant.



    This trope was humorously subverted in the 2002 movie The Cuckoo, in which one of the main characters, a Russian, has name "Ivan", but his newfound friend, Finnish sniper Veikko is not believing it because




    when they first met and Veikko asks for Ivan's name, Ivan replies "Get lost!" (in Russian) - and this is how Veikko had called him ever since.







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      There is nothing wrong with using common names for characters unless you over use them. If everyone has the most common names for their region, the readers may start paying attention to that instead of your story.



      That being said, there are ways of playing with it. You could use it to break expectations. Maybe Ivan is from the UK?



      Heck, any of them could be from the US.



      Maybe have two characters named John. One will end up being called by a nickname. My name isn't incredibly common but for one event we had five people with my first name on a radio net. That was a fun mess. With 95 people on the radio net, last names were out as well.



      Maybe have John meet Juan. Having the "same" name might be a running gag for the two.






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        I look for popular names, but not the MOST popular names. For example, I just googled "most popular names in the UK" and found this at the top link. An excerpt:



        Boys



        Oliver - 6,259
        Harry - 5,031
        George - 4,929
        Noah - 4,273
        Jack - 4,190
        Jacob - 3,968
        Leo - 3,781
        Oscar - 3,739
        Charlie - 3,724
        Muhammad - 3,691


        Girls



        Olivia - 5,204
        Amelia - 4,358
        Isla - 3,373
        Ava - 3,289
        Emily - 3,121
        Isabella - 2,627
        Mia - 2,590
        Poppy - 2,527
        Ella - 2,452
        Lily - 2,405


        Just pick something not in the top 5, it would be realistic, but not obviously stereotypical of the region.






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          The problem about this is that most of the time we want to read something about special people. Sure, we want to be able to sympathize with the character and for example superhero comics have a history of making it look like everyone could be Superman - or Shazam the 14-year-old-boy-transformed-into-a-superhero - but characters in books, comics, etc. tend to be special in some regards. By giving your protagonist a name that seemingly every second person has they can appear quite boring.



          What name do you think would be more memorable: "Shazam" or "Billy"?



          Yes, the protagonist in the linked comic series is named "Billy", quite the typical name. But most people will likely find his superhero form more memorable. Maybe you could use this and give your "Juan" and "Maria" interesting and memorable nicknames. Especially if they have a name that seemingly everyone else around them had that could be a reason to try and stand out. How do your characters feel about their name? Do they like this typical name? Maybe they like the feeling of proudly representing the majority. Or maybe they want to be special. Different. Not just another "Juan" or "Maria".



          A lot of this depends on the setting. In fantasy or sci-fi settings it's far easier to just come up with new names. In modern day settings like in a thriller you will more likely use "normal" names. But this also depends on a lot of factors. Are you in a rural area where older names are more present? Or a metropolitan city with influences from all around the globe? Is the social class of your characters focused on traditions or innovation?



          As you mention that you have a setting with lots of people from all over the world you could use steretypical names a few times. Maybe one or two out of a group of five people would feel like something that can actually happen while still not feeling as if you were simply too lazy to look up other names. But you should think about other options to refer to these characters and you should think about how the characters feel about their own names.






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            The problem about this is that most of the time we want to read something about special people. Sure, we want to be able to sympathize with the character and for example superhero comics have a history of making it look like everyone could be Superman - or Shazam the 14-year-old-boy-transformed-into-a-superhero - but characters in books, comics, etc. tend to be special in some regards. By giving your protagonist a name that seemingly every second person has they can appear quite boring.



            What name do you think would be more memorable: "Shazam" or "Billy"?



            Yes, the protagonist in the linked comic series is named "Billy", quite the typical name. But most people will likely find his superhero form more memorable. Maybe you could use this and give your "Juan" and "Maria" interesting and memorable nicknames. Especially if they have a name that seemingly everyone else around them had that could be a reason to try and stand out. How do your characters feel about their name? Do they like this typical name? Maybe they like the feeling of proudly representing the majority. Or maybe they want to be special. Different. Not just another "Juan" or "Maria".



            A lot of this depends on the setting. In fantasy or sci-fi settings it's far easier to just come up with new names. In modern day settings like in a thriller you will more likely use "normal" names. But this also depends on a lot of factors. Are you in a rural area where older names are more present? Or a metropolitan city with influences from all around the globe? Is the social class of your characters focused on traditions or innovation?



            As you mention that you have a setting with lots of people from all over the world you could use steretypical names a few times. Maybe one or two out of a group of five people would feel like something that can actually happen while still not feeling as if you were simply too lazy to look up other names. But you should think about other options to refer to these characters and you should think about how the characters feel about their own names.






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              The problem about this is that most of the time we want to read something about special people. Sure, we want to be able to sympathize with the character and for example superhero comics have a history of making it look like everyone could be Superman - or Shazam the 14-year-old-boy-transformed-into-a-superhero - but characters in books, comics, etc. tend to be special in some regards. By giving your protagonist a name that seemingly every second person has they can appear quite boring.



              What name do you think would be more memorable: "Shazam" or "Billy"?



              Yes, the protagonist in the linked comic series is named "Billy", quite the typical name. But most people will likely find his superhero form more memorable. Maybe you could use this and give your "Juan" and "Maria" interesting and memorable nicknames. Especially if they have a name that seemingly everyone else around them had that could be a reason to try and stand out. How do your characters feel about their name? Do they like this typical name? Maybe they like the feeling of proudly representing the majority. Or maybe they want to be special. Different. Not just another "Juan" or "Maria".



              A lot of this depends on the setting. In fantasy or sci-fi settings it's far easier to just come up with new names. In modern day settings like in a thriller you will more likely use "normal" names. But this also depends on a lot of factors. Are you in a rural area where older names are more present? Or a metropolitan city with influences from all around the globe? Is the social class of your characters focused on traditions or innovation?



              As you mention that you have a setting with lots of people from all over the world you could use steretypical names a few times. Maybe one or two out of a group of five people would feel like something that can actually happen while still not feeling as if you were simply too lazy to look up other names. But you should think about other options to refer to these characters and you should think about how the characters feel about their own names.






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              The problem about this is that most of the time we want to read something about special people. Sure, we want to be able to sympathize with the character and for example superhero comics have a history of making it look like everyone could be Superman - or Shazam the 14-year-old-boy-transformed-into-a-superhero - but characters in books, comics, etc. tend to be special in some regards. By giving your protagonist a name that seemingly every second person has they can appear quite boring.



              What name do you think would be more memorable: "Shazam" or "Billy"?



              Yes, the protagonist in the linked comic series is named "Billy", quite the typical name. But most people will likely find his superhero form more memorable. Maybe you could use this and give your "Juan" and "Maria" interesting and memorable nicknames. Especially if they have a name that seemingly everyone else around them had that could be a reason to try and stand out. How do your characters feel about their name? Do they like this typical name? Maybe they like the feeling of proudly representing the majority. Or maybe they want to be special. Different. Not just another "Juan" or "Maria".



              A lot of this depends on the setting. In fantasy or sci-fi settings it's far easier to just come up with new names. In modern day settings like in a thriller you will more likely use "normal" names. But this also depends on a lot of factors. Are you in a rural area where older names are more present? Or a metropolitan city with influences from all around the globe? Is the social class of your characters focused on traditions or innovation?



              As you mention that you have a setting with lots of people from all over the world you could use steretypical names a few times. Maybe one or two out of a group of five people would feel like something that can actually happen while still not feeling as if you were simply too lazy to look up other names. But you should think about other options to refer to these characters and you should think about how the characters feel about their own names.







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                  It is bad when your "national" character is one-dimensional. It is perfectly fine when this character is non-stereotypical.



                  Creating a "representative" characters with stereotypical names is a bad (and well-worn) practice when those characters also reinforce popular stereotypes of a certain nation or racial group. On the other hand, if such character has depth and well-developed, steretotypical name becomes insignificant.



                  This trope was humorously subverted in the 2002 movie The Cuckoo, in which one of the main characters, a Russian, has name "Ivan", but his newfound friend, Finnish sniper Veikko is not believing it because




                  when they first met and Veikko asks for Ivan's name, Ivan replies "Get lost!" (in Russian) - and this is how Veikko had called him ever since.







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                    It is bad when your "national" character is one-dimensional. It is perfectly fine when this character is non-stereotypical.



                    Creating a "representative" characters with stereotypical names is a bad (and well-worn) practice when those characters also reinforce popular stereotypes of a certain nation or racial group. On the other hand, if such character has depth and well-developed, steretotypical name becomes insignificant.



                    This trope was humorously subverted in the 2002 movie The Cuckoo, in which one of the main characters, a Russian, has name "Ivan", but his newfound friend, Finnish sniper Veikko is not believing it because




                    when they first met and Veikko asks for Ivan's name, Ivan replies "Get lost!" (in Russian) - and this is how Veikko had called him ever since.







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                      It is bad when your "national" character is one-dimensional. It is perfectly fine when this character is non-stereotypical.



                      Creating a "representative" characters with stereotypical names is a bad (and well-worn) practice when those characters also reinforce popular stereotypes of a certain nation or racial group. On the other hand, if such character has depth and well-developed, steretotypical name becomes insignificant.



                      This trope was humorously subverted in the 2002 movie The Cuckoo, in which one of the main characters, a Russian, has name "Ivan", but his newfound friend, Finnish sniper Veikko is not believing it because




                      when they first met and Veikko asks for Ivan's name, Ivan replies "Get lost!" (in Russian) - and this is how Veikko had called him ever since.







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                      It is bad when your "national" character is one-dimensional. It is perfectly fine when this character is non-stereotypical.



                      Creating a "representative" characters with stereotypical names is a bad (and well-worn) practice when those characters also reinforce popular stereotypes of a certain nation or racial group. On the other hand, if such character has depth and well-developed, steretotypical name becomes insignificant.



                      This trope was humorously subverted in the 2002 movie The Cuckoo, in which one of the main characters, a Russian, has name "Ivan", but his newfound friend, Finnish sniper Veikko is not believing it because




                      when they first met and Veikko asks for Ivan's name, Ivan replies "Get lost!" (in Russian) - and this is how Veikko had called him ever since.








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                          There is nothing wrong with using common names for characters unless you over use them. If everyone has the most common names for their region, the readers may start paying attention to that instead of your story.



                          That being said, there are ways of playing with it. You could use it to break expectations. Maybe Ivan is from the UK?



                          Heck, any of them could be from the US.



                          Maybe have two characters named John. One will end up being called by a nickname. My name isn't incredibly common but for one event we had five people with my first name on a radio net. That was a fun mess. With 95 people on the radio net, last names were out as well.



                          Maybe have John meet Juan. Having the "same" name might be a running gag for the two.






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                            There is nothing wrong with using common names for characters unless you over use them. If everyone has the most common names for their region, the readers may start paying attention to that instead of your story.



                            That being said, there are ways of playing with it. You could use it to break expectations. Maybe Ivan is from the UK?



                            Heck, any of them could be from the US.



                            Maybe have two characters named John. One will end up being called by a nickname. My name isn't incredibly common but for one event we had five people with my first name on a radio net. That was a fun mess. With 95 people on the radio net, last names were out as well.



                            Maybe have John meet Juan. Having the "same" name might be a running gag for the two.






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                              There is nothing wrong with using common names for characters unless you over use them. If everyone has the most common names for their region, the readers may start paying attention to that instead of your story.



                              That being said, there are ways of playing with it. You could use it to break expectations. Maybe Ivan is from the UK?



                              Heck, any of them could be from the US.



                              Maybe have two characters named John. One will end up being called by a nickname. My name isn't incredibly common but for one event we had five people with my first name on a radio net. That was a fun mess. With 95 people on the radio net, last names were out as well.



                              Maybe have John meet Juan. Having the "same" name might be a running gag for the two.






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                              There is nothing wrong with using common names for characters unless you over use them. If everyone has the most common names for their region, the readers may start paying attention to that instead of your story.



                              That being said, there are ways of playing with it. You could use it to break expectations. Maybe Ivan is from the UK?



                              Heck, any of them could be from the US.



                              Maybe have two characters named John. One will end up being called by a nickname. My name isn't incredibly common but for one event we had five people with my first name on a radio net. That was a fun mess. With 95 people on the radio net, last names were out as well.



                              Maybe have John meet Juan. Having the "same" name might be a running gag for the two.







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                                  I look for popular names, but not the MOST popular names. For example, I just googled "most popular names in the UK" and found this at the top link. An excerpt:



                                  Boys



                                  Oliver - 6,259
                                  Harry - 5,031
                                  George - 4,929
                                  Noah - 4,273
                                  Jack - 4,190
                                  Jacob - 3,968
                                  Leo - 3,781
                                  Oscar - 3,739
                                  Charlie - 3,724
                                  Muhammad - 3,691


                                  Girls



                                  Olivia - 5,204
                                  Amelia - 4,358
                                  Isla - 3,373
                                  Ava - 3,289
                                  Emily - 3,121
                                  Isabella - 2,627
                                  Mia - 2,590
                                  Poppy - 2,527
                                  Ella - 2,452
                                  Lily - 2,405


                                  Just pick something not in the top 5, it would be realistic, but not obviously stereotypical of the region.






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                                    I look for popular names, but not the MOST popular names. For example, I just googled "most popular names in the UK" and found this at the top link. An excerpt:



                                    Boys



                                    Oliver - 6,259
                                    Harry - 5,031
                                    George - 4,929
                                    Noah - 4,273
                                    Jack - 4,190
                                    Jacob - 3,968
                                    Leo - 3,781
                                    Oscar - 3,739
                                    Charlie - 3,724
                                    Muhammad - 3,691


                                    Girls



                                    Olivia - 5,204
                                    Amelia - 4,358
                                    Isla - 3,373
                                    Ava - 3,289
                                    Emily - 3,121
                                    Isabella - 2,627
                                    Mia - 2,590
                                    Poppy - 2,527
                                    Ella - 2,452
                                    Lily - 2,405


                                    Just pick something not in the top 5, it would be realistic, but not obviously stereotypical of the region.






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                                      I look for popular names, but not the MOST popular names. For example, I just googled "most popular names in the UK" and found this at the top link. An excerpt:



                                      Boys



                                      Oliver - 6,259
                                      Harry - 5,031
                                      George - 4,929
                                      Noah - 4,273
                                      Jack - 4,190
                                      Jacob - 3,968
                                      Leo - 3,781
                                      Oscar - 3,739
                                      Charlie - 3,724
                                      Muhammad - 3,691


                                      Girls



                                      Olivia - 5,204
                                      Amelia - 4,358
                                      Isla - 3,373
                                      Ava - 3,289
                                      Emily - 3,121
                                      Isabella - 2,627
                                      Mia - 2,590
                                      Poppy - 2,527
                                      Ella - 2,452
                                      Lily - 2,405


                                      Just pick something not in the top 5, it would be realistic, but not obviously stereotypical of the region.






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                                      I look for popular names, but not the MOST popular names. For example, I just googled "most popular names in the UK" and found this at the top link. An excerpt:



                                      Boys



                                      Oliver - 6,259
                                      Harry - 5,031
                                      George - 4,929
                                      Noah - 4,273
                                      Jack - 4,190
                                      Jacob - 3,968
                                      Leo - 3,781
                                      Oscar - 3,739
                                      Charlie - 3,724
                                      Muhammad - 3,691


                                      Girls



                                      Olivia - 5,204
                                      Amelia - 4,358
                                      Isla - 3,373
                                      Ava - 3,289
                                      Emily - 3,121
                                      Isabella - 2,627
                                      Mia - 2,590
                                      Poppy - 2,527
                                      Ella - 2,452
                                      Lily - 2,405


                                      Just pick something not in the top 5, it would be realistic, but not obviously stereotypical of the region.







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